Church Anyone?

The Lord Jesus Christ knows my heart and that I long for joining with other believers to worship and serve Him and share our mutual love with one another.  God hears my prayers.  Recently, I have had the opportunity to check out three other churches in our area and I want to give a report on what I have found.  One was unfamiliar to me, the other two I am familiar with, one we used to attend years ago.

The first experience was at the church we used to attend.  My husband and I attended a memorial service for an acquaintance.  Sadly, this man didn’t believe that repentance was important to salvation.  He just focused on the believe part of the Bible.  I am not saying he was an ungodly man, what I am saying is his doctrine wasn’t in agreement with the Scriptures.  The memorial service focused on Jesus Christ which was a refreshing change from most of the memorial services we have gone to.  Towards the end of the service, a pastor from a church in Tennessee shared a “message”.  He was of the same doctrine as our acquaintance.  The pastor said that no ones’ sins would be judged because when Christ died on the cross the sins of the whole world were judged.  My beloved brothers and sisters no one protested this blatant false teaching that emanated from the heresy of repentless salvation.  Our acquaintance attended this church.  We left years ago when the daughters of those in leadership got pregnant out of wedlock, along with other young women in the church.  This is what happens when the gospel is not faithfully proclaimed.

The second experience happened when a student let me know he was a believer and told me about the church he attended.  We never just go to church to see what it is like.  We have had to leave way too many churches by doing that.  So I did my due diligence and went to the website.  There wasn’t anything that was too worrisome, so I contacted the elders with questions I had.  The answers seemed to be satisfactory then I followed our standing practice and asked that question which is a barometer for any church, whether it is led by sound men or not.  I asked the elder I was corresponding with what he thought about C. S. Lewis and Billy Graham.  He didn’t just answer the question, but wanted to know why I asked it.  So I let him know that it would give me information about the leadership and his church.  He responded that both men had done good deeds within the world and the “Christian” community, despite their nuanced theology.  Nuanced?  Both men denied the centrality and uniqueness of Christ in the salvation of sinners.  Both men were/are ecumenists who have paved the way for the ecumenical surge throughout evangelicalism.  Both men were/are agreeable to the false teaching of Rome and modernists.  I had the information that I needed and decided we didn’t need to be under leadership that wasn’t committed to the truth of the gospel and the glory of Jesus Christ.

The third experience occurred when I met an old friend at the grocery store.  We talked for a little bit.  She asked about church and suggested that we investigate her church.  I had listened to sermon on their website years ago, but the elder spoke mostly about himself.  Well I decided to listen to the elders again.  The one she recommended spoke in such a soft voice that I couldn’t understand him.  So I listened to a message by the head elder.  He spoke about his mind being boggled by the fact that Jesus Christ is the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Son.  My dear beloved brethren this is the false teaching of modalism and comes straight out of the United Pentecostal Church.   This is the same false doctrine that T. D. Jakes champions.  The error coming out of the mouth of the lead elder along with the information supplied by their bios, one graduated from Fuller Theological Seminary, another loved C. S. Lewis, convinced me this church is not sound nor does it treasure Jesus Christ, His Word or His children.

I want to share one more observation with you to demonstrate that this compromise and heresy is typical of churches here in our country, and I am sure, around the world.  Many esteem Pastor John MacArthur, and he does say many commendable things, however, he compromises with the world and the false teachers from the world that are leaders within the visible church.  Recently, I watched a video from the Truth Matters Conference held at Grace Community Church in November of 2009 where Philip Johnson interviewed John MacArthur with questions from the attenders of the conference.  The title of the video is “Practical Concerns in the Local Church”.  While MacArthur made many laudable statements, he also said things that were confusing.  He clearly doesn’t understand the root danger of contemplative spirituality, and he gave a mixed message about church attendance and when it is a good idea to leave.  However, it is whom he associates with that gives me pause and makes me wonder about his fidelity to the truth of the Scriptures.  At mark 26:44 in the video he refers to Al Mohler as his friend.  Al Mohler is a signatory to the very ecumenical Manhattan Declaration, which was released in November of 2009.  Please read the included link to see all the “Christian” leaders who signed the document and then recognize the depth of ecumenical compromise to which the evangelical church has plunged.   Al Mohler, past president of the Southern Baptist Convention has led the denomination in softening its tone regarding homosexuality.  Al Mohler, as we can well expect, has joined with other evangelicals to support a Catholic presidential candidate for the betterment of our society.  However, the question begs to be asked:  “How has the release and signing of the Manhattan Declaration impeded the progress of immorality and furthered the concerns there expressed?”

The compromise and apostasy within the visible church, whatever denominational form it takes, is pervasive and without remedy.  It has been my repeated experience that the leadership is not committed to the truth of the Scriptures regardless of their statements of faith or the assurances coming from the pulpit.  If they were, they would warn against being unequally yoked with the worldly evangelical church that leads its attenders down the broad path of destruction.  They would preach exclusively from the King James Bible and reject the defiled modern versions.  They would so preach and teach that the Holy Spirit would be adding to their numbers those who are being saved.  The church has one purpose, and one purpose only, to proclaim the gospel and disciple believers.  Our response to our culture should always be what it has always been, to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather to expose them (Ephesians 5:11).

Based upon this introduction I would like to share the following passages from the book of Ephesians that make it clear we must not compromise with or give our stamp of approval to the visible church today.

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.  13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.  14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and the length and depth and height—19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.  20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever.  Amen.  Ephesians 3:8-21

The church is supposed to display the manifold wisdom of God through the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and display the life of God in the hearts of the saints.  This is the purpose of the church, period.  This is how the church glorifies Jesus Christ. Anything that adds to or takes away from this purpose does not come from God, it comes from the enemy of our souls, the devil.  So do you really want to attend a church that is being led by the devil?

The Lord Jesus Christ has specific work for the ones that He has called into serving the church and ministering to His saints.  God the Holy Spirit spells this out for us in the following passage in Ephesians.

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.  Ephesians 4:11-16   

The Lord Jesus Christ appoints those He has called to under shepherd His sheep for the express purpose of protecting them from false teachers and equipping them to speak the truth (God’s Word!) in love for the edification of the body so that each individual is standing on the faith once for all delivered to the saints in the Holy Scriptures, knows Jesus Christ experientially, is following Him, and walking in the maturity of the faith, in holy conduct and godly love.

We are further warned within the book given to us by our gracious God that we must have nothing to do with false brethren.  We must follow Jesus Christ by obeying His Word and relying upon the indwelling Holy Spirit.

5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.  6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.  7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.  Ephesians 5:5-7

That is our call to come out from among them and touch no unclean thing.  We do not want to associate with those who are falling headlong into eternal destruction.  Should we attend to try and rescue the deceived?  No!  Our rejection of them is a clear rebuke that they are on the wrong path.  Those whom the Lord Jesus Christ does not lead out of the apostate church are too entrenched to be reached.  They have been making excuses, enjoying the “fellowship” and idolizing their pastors for far too long.  God by Paul gives us the definitive answer in the following verses.

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.  Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.  11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.  12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.  13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.  14 Therefore He says:  “Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light.”  15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, 16 redeeming the time, because the days are evil.  17 Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is.  Ephesians 5:8-17

Since we are light in the Lord we must reject the darkness, and by our reproof expose it so perhaps some will awaken to the deceit, reject the lie and receive the truth from Jesus Christ.  My beloved brethren, the days are evil, we must walk circumspectly, redeeming the time, using it for God’s glory, doing the will of our Lord as revealed to us in the Scriptures.  Remember, the religious elites always reject Christ and His truth, and so they will reject us, or try to twist the truth to corrupt us and cause us to follow a false way.  Beware of the wicked workers within the visible church!

13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.  14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.  17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:  Ephesians 6:13-17

Lord Jesus Christ, we are either Yours or we aren’t, we either follow You or we don’t.  May You raise up godly men and women who are Yours and who will live to Your glory, turning away from the wickedness of the visible church, and instead follow You in faithful love and obedience.  Amen!

http://manhattandeclaration.org/man_dec_resources/list_of_religious_leaders.pdf

http://manhattandeclaration.org/man_dec_resources/Manhattan_Declaration_full_text.pdf

http://www.wayoflife.org/friday_church_news/14_43.php

Albert Mohler Gains Brian McLaren’s Empathy For Mohler’s “Progressive” View on Christians and “Homophobia”

http://pulpitandpen.org/2016/01/21/sbc-meltdown-next-al-mohler-capitulates-to-catholic-rubio/

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90 Responses to Church Anyone?

  1. Scarlett says:

    Very good post. I am thankful the Holy Spirit has this wonderful way of steering us away from false teachers and their doctrines. Jesus bless you

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  2. unworthy1 says:

    Excellent piece Eliza, I believe there aren’t many today that truly tremble at God’s word and preaches the whole counsel.
    Yes, MacArthur has many troubling issues, such as claiming you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. His testimony is a bit troubling as well, here are some quotes from it, “PHIL: How old were you when you first recall sensing your need for Christ?
    JOHN: Well I always believed the gospel. I don’t ever…I don’t ever remember a time when I didn’t believe the gospel. I mean, it was so wonderfully modeled by my Mom and Dad, it was so consistent. They were exactly at home what they were in the church. And what my Dad was in the pulpit he was in the house. And Christ was always very wonderful to me and inviting to me. And my Mom and Dad lived out their Christian life before me. And so, I never rebelled against it. I always knew I needed Jesus to be my Savior…….. And I remember my Dad praying with me on the steps that the Lord would save me. There may have been other times that I brought it up, but that one stands out in my mind. And as to whether I was actually converted at that time, I don’t know. Again, in the years following I never rebelled, I was always responsive to the things of Christ. But I don’t know that they were really the dominant matters of my life and the priorities that early…….I was one of those kids that never rebelled and always believed. And so when God did His saving work in my heart, it was not discernable to me.” {source – http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/80-33/John-MacArthurs-Life-Testimony}
    I come to the conclusion that MacArthur claims sinlessness, and never mentions repentance. He never rebelled and always believed, and yet, he has NO recollection of when God did His saving work in his heart! That speaks volumes. There are serious issues with his testimony.
    Mohler is a minion of Satan disguised as a religious leader; he teams up with Mormons to stand against traditional marriage. He picks one pet sin to stand against and overlooks the fact that Mormon theology is filled with erroneous beliefs. He joins forces with dead religions to push personal agendas.
    These big name evangelicals use Christianity as a means for their own personal gain and agenda, men like John MacArthur and Franklin Graham, who make six figure salaries…and NO ONE questions that! Surely people are deluded and biblically illiterate to follow and support such wolves.

    May we stand firm on His truth, follow Him and HIM ALONE, and await His return. Let those who reject truth follow their wolves….and may God have mercy.

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    • Eliza says:

      So my question is this: Why would MacArthur and Johnson say that one can take the mark of the beast and still be saved when the Scriptures are clear that is not the case. This is stated in the book of Revelation not once, not twice, but thrice (Revelation 14:9-13, Revelation 15:2-4, Revelation 19:20, and Revelation 20:4-6). Why would Johnson, who is said to be the driving force behind Grace to You, at time mark 48:00 in the video, and MacArthur be so supportive of apostates? They have to be one with the end time harlot church which is the driving force behind the wrecking of the evangelical church and its demise in ecumenical apostasy. May Christ Jesus deliver souls from this heretical affront to His truth and His gospel. Amen!

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      • Sherry says:

        The only time before just now from your post thatI ever heard of this “teaching” that one can still be a Christian and take the mark was in Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind. My friend and sister in Christ bought the books then gave them to me to read back when they first came out. I think it was book 11 where a Christian took the mark…that’s when my friend said she was done with the series. It was one thing to write a fiction scenario but quite another to be unscriptural. Funny, in not a ha-ha way, this is one erroneous belief that is so easy to see is wrong!

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      • Eliza, I may be wrong but believe that he is concealing what he believes the mark to be. There is so much to be said here but I don’t want – fearing the Lord – to go beyond what is written.

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  3. unworthy1 says:

    Here’s how MacArthur tap dances around his stance on the mark…

    “Yes, Revelation 14:9–11 says, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Clearly, receiving the mark is a sin that will send those who commit it to hell.

    But the Bible also says, “Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10). In short, all sin carries the threat of eternal doom, and some particularly heinous sins have a built-in hardening effect that makes them particularly dangerous. Scripture occasionally singles out common sins that have this peculiarly soul-destroying effect.

    On the other hand, only one very specific sin is ever said to be unforgivable. Any sin that is repented of is forgivable. Immediately after declaring all fornicators, drunkards, and swindlers unfit for heaven, the apostle writes, “Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). After saying, “Whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven,” Jesus famously forgave Peter, who denied Him before men.

    Jesus Himself said, “Any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven ” (Matthew 12:31, emphasis added). The one unpardonable sin was the sin of those who had seen His miracles with their own eyes; they knew He was the true Messiah; they were part of the generation to whom He was personally sent. And yet they attributed His powers to Satan. That was unforgivable because it was such a hard-hearted, willful expression of utter rejection from fully enlightened hearts, who punctuated their rejection with an extreme blasphemy. Those Pharisees had stood in the presence of the living embodiment of all truth; they heard His words and saw His works. All the mysteries of Christ had been unveiled before their very eyes. And yet they spurned Him. There was nothing else that could be shown to them to enlighten them further. They were not deceived; they knew full well what they were doing. That’s why their sin was unpardonable (cf. 1 Timothy 1:13).

    Revelation 19:20 indicates that multitudes will take the mark of the Beast because they are deceived. Scripture does not say that they are thereby automatically hardened forever against repentance. That is not the point of the strong warnings.

    This whole issue suddenly became a matter of intense controversy when it was mentioned on a provocative radio program. It’s certainly not worth all the ink that has been wasted and all the bandwidth that has been consumed by angry people demanding explanations and retractions. This much should certainly be clear from the biblical text (and I think would be affirmed by all sides): Taking the mark of the Beast is high treason against Christ and will be judged by God accordingly. Meanwhile, the Lord is “good, and ready to forgive, and abundant in lovingkindness to all who call upon [Him]” (Psalm 86:5). Source – http://www.gty.org/blog/B131030

    What I find strange is Johnson ALWAYS answers for MacArthur, is JM not able to respond personally? Is Johnson the ‘bodyguard’ of JM? Strange how some big name evangelicals surround themselves with ‘go to’ people and do not feel the need to respond personally to their erroneous teachings. Of course, Johnson’s salary is six figure as well…go figure! {Source – http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-salary-GCC-corporation-Larry-King.html}

    MacArthur clearly twists God’s word concerning the mark, and defends his false teaching by having his sidekick make some foolish claim, “Scripture does not say that they are thereby automatically hardened forever against repentance. That is not the point of the strong warnings.” What does the word of God say Johnny Mac and Phil J?
    “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11
    What happens to those who take the mark? The word of God speaks plainly, they WILL face torment for ever and ever. MacArthur is a false teacher, and a well paid one at that. He is no different than the word of faith hucksters, he’s just more ‘polished’.

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  4. Eliza says:

    Right, there would be no reason to emphasize the martyrdom and reward for those who do not take the mark of the beast, if eternal punishment wasn’t the judgment for taking the mark. Additionally God’s Word says that only those whose names have been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world will not worship the Antichrist. Worship of the Antichrist is linked with taking his mark, indicating they belong to him as opposed to belonging to God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son.
    One justification for teaching this error is that it explains the people who will be upon the earth at the beginning of the millennial kingdom. However, not everyone will take the mark, nor will all believers be martyred.
    Commenting upon MacArthur’s explanation of the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit, in the same way, during the tribulation, it is going to be obvious by the many extraordinary events, judgments, proclamation of the gospel, testimony of the two witnesses, that God is calling all everywhere to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. The depravity of people during this time is given by these verses:

    20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, sliver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk. 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts. Revelation 9:20-21

    9 And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory. 10 then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom became full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues because of the pain. 11 They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds. Revelation 16:9-11

    The seven golden bowl judgments are specific to the beast’s kingdom and those who take his mark. Would God pour out His judgment upon believers? No way!

    2 So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. Revelation 16:2

    It is so sad that these so called men of God do not know how to rightly divide the Word of Truth and exegete the truth. Amen!

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  5. Bob Wheeler says:

    I think that one of the interesting points MacArthur made in the video was that in New Testament times there was only one church in each community — if you were a Christian you were a member of our local church, the only one in town. Of course, that church would not have been dominated by a single elder who set the direction for everything, so it wasn’t a matter of whether or not “the pastor” was perfect or flawed. The elders were all flawed, but collectively they followed the leading of the Holy Spirit.
    What fascinates me about church history is that a holy and infinite God has chosen the church, made up of flawed human beings, to accomplish His purposes on earth. “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” (II Cor. 4:7).
    As for myself, on Sunday mornings I am part of a small, informal house church fellowship — we are very much a “work in progress.” On Sunday evenings I attend a small group Bible study connected with a local church. The teaching at this church is better than at most of the other churches in our area, but I don’t care for the Jesus rock music in the morning service. On Wednesday evenings I attend a prayer meeting at a local fundamentalist Baptist church — I could never join, however, because of differences over eschatology (They’re strongly Dispensational, and wouldn’t accept me as a member), but I can have fellowship with them on a personal level.
    I think that the next few years to come will be a time of decision for most churches, in which American believers will be forced to choose between Christ and the world. It will be an uncomfortable decision for many, but hopefully it will result in the emergence of a confessing church made up of committed disciples (not the “Emerging Church,” which has already gone the other way.) And maybe then we will see something that comes closer to what we see in the New Testament. In the meantime let us “walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Eph. 4:1-3).

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    • Eliza says:

      Hi Bob,
      Thank you for the comment. I think that, based upon church history, Christians have been coming out from among them for centuries. My concern, as expressed by the introduction, is the spread of false teaching through the leadership at various churches, and that no one is holding them accountable. It seems to me the acceptance of men bent upon apostasy by such high profile teachers as John MacArthur furthers the erosion of accountability in teaching the truth of God’s Word, and all manner of error is “winked at”. God doesn’t wink at this error, He holds all accountable for spreading the apostasy. I saw a good explanation of the marks of a true believer in Jesus Christ on another blog: One who has a God given love of the truth. Those who don’t are prime for the Antichrist and are already following many antichrists, they are the ones who perish, unless God brings them to repent and receive the love of the truth that they might be saved. Those under God’s judgment condemned through believing the strong delusion that He sends already rejected the truth having loved unrighteousness and hold fast to the lies of Satan.

      9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

      I know that I am not the only person who does not attend church because of the rampant apostasy. I met others doing the same thing when a new believer, but I didn’t realize the depth of apostasy to which the visible church, the worldly church, had plunged. I am thankful that you have fellowship with other believers and I pray you are edified by this fellowship. May Christ keep us always and only faithful to Him. Amen!

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      • unworthy1 says:

        Eliza,

        You stated “I know that I am not the only person who does not attend church because of the rampant apostasy.” You are right, I cannot find a church that preaches truth, doesn’t compromise, and doesn’t add to or take from His word. The ear tickling is overwhelming, there is no mention of sin, no need to examine yourself, strive for holiness, etc. I know of several others who are in Christ and do not attend a local gathering for the very same reason.
        I wonder where the Bible states we must become a ‘member’ of a local gathering? There are many unbiblical practices in the modern day churches, including insistence upon membership. Collecting an offering is not unbiblical, it’s what many do with that offering that is shameful. Paying a salary to a pastor, paying a mortgage on a huge building, etc. is all unnecessary. Pastors need to get out and work like everyone else! The temptation to live off others is too great otherwise, even the Apostle Paul worked with his hands. Most modern day pastors are even empowered by the Spirit of God, so they aren’t worth their own salt. Keep your money, it’s better to find other ways to give than to feel pressured into supporting a lazy pastor and paying for a building where more goats than sheep gather.
        The early church laid their money at the Apostle’s feet, where it was divided up among the poor brethren as needed. That doesn’t happen in our day, Pastors, Associate Pastors, and others all get a ‘salary’ now, and for what?! Corruption has overtaken the churches and the goats pay no mind; meanwhile, the sheep are leaving in droves and are without an under-shepherd. Some are blessed to gather in a small group at someone’s home, which is far better. Many like myself find great blessing in reading the writings of men of old, men like Spurgeon, A.W. Pink, George Everard, Samuel Ward, J.C. Philpot, Ralph Erskine, Archibald Brown, and many more. Gracegems.org has a wealth of such writings and is a great blessing, as is pbministries.org & chapellibrary.org/

        Many blessings to you dear sister:-)

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      • Sherry says:

        People who take such well-known pastors as JM at their word/teachings are being unwise respecters of persons. If Paul was examined by the Bereans then how much more the rest of the teachers in these last days?

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  6. selah says:

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    Reblogging this excellent article.

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  7. Dear Eliza, this is all going too far. It is time to be careful about what we say about others. Yes, we must point out where teachers are wrong but not be too quick to judge a whole life and ministry. We are all wrong about some things and should be humble, praying for others.

    We too have had problems in different fellowships, but some of the problems – including with pastors – were our fault. Did the Lord command those in the local assemblies in Revelation to leave or rather to be faithful? He commended them for recognizing false apostles, yes. But where is this discussion going? To rationalize disobedience to the command in Hebrews 10, not to forsake our assembling together?

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    • unworthy1 says:

      Maria,

      How did our Lord handle the false teachers of His day? Did he remain quiet or did He expose them for what they are? Exposing false teaching is not a sin, nor is pointing out exactly what is false.
      As for Hebrews 10, I highly recommend this reading – http://www.wordofhisgrace.org/hebrews1025.htm
      Many use that very verse out of context to attempt to place guilt upon those who refuse to sit under false teachings/apostate gatherings. May the link provide you with helpful insight into the real meaning of Hebrews 10:25

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      • Unworthy1, the Lord answered their hypocritical questions until they stopped asking. He dealt with the Pharisees and Sadducees directly. When He spoke about them to His own, He warned and taught them. This is just to answer your question.

        About Hebrews 10 – we are plainly commanded not to forsake assembling with other believers. Jewish Christians were tempted to do this at that time and they and we were and we are told not to do this.

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        • unworthy1 says:

          you didn’t read the teaching I posted concerning the misuse of Hebrews 10 did you? I await your reading it, then I will respond to your comments concerning the teaching presented there.

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        • Eliza says:

          You said it well,we are to assemble with other believers. Not all churches are attended or led by believers. There is so much history behind the apostasy that has gripped the visible church that it is a wonder that any gathering is not overrun with heresy and perfidy. When I can find a church in which the leadership isn’t tainted with the end-time apostasy that has gripped our nation then I will gladly join with the believers there. Until then, I cannot countenance attending a gathering that is corrupted by the apostasy that has adulterated the pure doctrine of God’s Holy Word as noted in this post. Blessings to you through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen!

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  8. Eliza says:

    I believe most churches, when compared to the standard of the passage from Ephesians are deceits of the devil and do not deserve our presence, much less our allegiance. There are many reasons for those within religious circles to want to keep people within their ranks. Some have to do with money, some have to do with control. What I have both witnessed and researched is compromise and apostasy throughout the visible church.
    Maria, are you concerned with the apostasy and ecumenism within the church? Where did it originate? How has it spread? Who is responsible for the spread of apostasy? We could say generically, the devil, which is true, but he has used willing accomplices. Who are those accomplices? How do we stop the spread of this apostasy? If we go along with it how will anyone understand that there is great error within the visible church leading many astray? If no one stands up against this apostasy how will there be a work of God in the church to turn many from the lies embraced by so many within the church? Why is this apostasy spread wide throughout the church with few faithfully reproving the depth and breadth of apostasy?
    Do you love Christ enough to stand steadfast for His Word, for His truth? Do you love the church enough to reprove it for its error by withdrawing from its complicity of error? Do you revere the Word of God sufficiently to stand for the faithful preaching and teaching of the Bible by removing yourself from those who teach false doctrine?
    In reality it is too much that John MacArthur has as a friend a man who is involved in the spread of ecumenism and apostasy throughout the church. What is too much is there are masses deceived throughout the visible church who are too ignorant of God’s Word the Bible to know any better. What is too much is that too many are content to remain in an organization that is spiraling downward into gross heresy.
    I praise Jesus Christ that He delivered me from this apostate organization and has opened my eyes to the truth found only within His Word. I praise Jesus Christ that He has kept me as His own. I praise Jesus Christ that He has revealed to me the apostasy that is so easily embraced by so many. I pray He opens the eyes of many and delivers them from this apostasy. God bless you Maria.

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    • Eliza, you’ve read my blog so you know that as an ex-Catholic I love the truth and speak it for Jesus’ sake and others. I’m trying to do this now.

      My husband and I have been hated because we refused to attend family celebrations at a Masonic temple. I spoke up here because what you’ve done is tending to cause others to dismiss assembling, stop praying and loving. Even the title of this post does that.

      Am I willing to suffer for the truth? When and how God calls me to, I pray. We don’t attend during Christmas season – from after Thanksgiving through New Year’s, because a tree is in the sanctuary along with nativity statues. We have told the pastor but he doesn’t understand yet. Sundays are lonely then.

      I stand with, am part of, the invisible Church of Jesus Christ, but like others am called to assemble for worship and fellowship in the most Biblical church possible. I wouldn’t assemble with Oneness Pentecostals, for example.

      By God’s grace, because of my personal history, I have a special love of the truth of God’s Word, which can only be understood with His help, in humility.

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      • Eliza says:

        Amen to all that you have said. I have had the experience of speaking with many about apostasy and they just don’t want to hear. They are offended when confronted with the truth. These people know me and know through the years my testimony that I love the Lord Jesus Christ and revere His Holy Word. I believe they consider the stakes too high to make the stand that I have made. Think about this in terms of God’s Word in John 12,especially John 12:42-43. You can’t deny that is a serious problem within the visible church. Couple that with the fact that it is overrun with those who are not saved and you can see why the apostasy is not only tolerated but welcomed. (This, of course, agrees with Paul’s warning to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4).Most of the major institutions that are turning out pastors are equipping them well in the art of apostasy. (This agrees well with Paul’s warning to Timothy in 2 Timothy 3). Would you feel comfortable attending any of the churches I highlighted in this post? Probably not. God bless you.

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  9. Bob Wheeler says:

    But what constitutes “false teaching” ? Anything with which we happen to disagree? How can I be sure that I am always right and that those who disagree with me are wrong? This is why most evangelical churches have written statements of faith — to define the things which are essential. And even here some churches go too far — I know of one denomination that will discipline you if you don’t present your infant children for baptism. How far is too far? And is John MacArthur necessarily a false teacher just because he is a friend of Albert Mohler? What about Him who was a friend of sinners?

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    • unworthy1 says:

      What constitutes false teaching? Twisting God’s word!! Good grief, are we going to defend men like MacArthur and give leeway as to how wrong you can be before you are labeled a false teacher?! If a prophet can only be wrong one time, surely a false teacher can only teach falsely one time. MacArthur’s false teaching concerning the mark is so dangerous – if any follow this teaching they WILL take the mark and believe they can still be saved! Souls are at stake – is that serious enough or not?
      Yes, befriending certain people is another sign of ‘danger- beware!’ When we compromise, when we see things like who you hang out with as being no big deal, then we open up the danger of infiltration of the enemy.

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    • Alec says:

      Bob,
      You’ve asked rhetorical questions here, or at least I’ve read them that way. It’s true that there are different levels of aberrant teaching. Where it becomes impossible to worship is where there is another gospel. But what is another gospel? That’s the real question we have to keep asking.

      For myself, I cannot attend a church which does not believe and teach wholeheartedly “justification by faith”. Even amongst the so-called conservative churches, there are many versions of either (a) works gospels or (b) universalist gospels.

      Works false gospel: “I need to do such and such and so and so or I am not really saved”.
      Universalist false gospel: “Christ died for the whole world and therefore the whole world was justified at the cross”.

      There are more false gospels than these of course (modalism – Jesus is God the Father and God the Holy Spirit), only the actual red letter words in the Bible are binding, etc.

      Would you send a new Christian to a church with any of the above theologies? I don’t think I could…

      Alec

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  10. Eliza says:

    I think that we have gone over this before. Would the things that concerned me concern you? Does a repentless gospel contradict God’s Word? Does universal salvation contradict God’s Word? Does modalism contradict God’s Word? What about teaching there is no salvific efficaciousness in the blood of Jesus Christ, does that contradict God’s Word? Does having fellowship with those who cause offenses and divisions contrary to the doctrine given by God’s Word contradict God’s Word?
    Of course, they all contradict God’s Word. Can anyone call God a liar and get away with it?

    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
    (1 John 1:8-10)

    Based upon the Scriptures, those who agree with God’s word are blessed, those who disagree with God’s Word are condemned because they make Him a liar and prove that His Word is not in them, that the truth is not in them. If the truth is not in them then they love unrighteousness and have not received the love of the truth that they might be saved.

    False teaching is anything that disagrees with God’s Word and then calls God a liar because what God has revealed in His Word is said to be untrue. False teaching arises from loving unrighteousness and not receiving the love of the truth.

    And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12)

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    • Bob Wheeler says:

      So Eliza, here is the doctrinal statement from John MacArthur’s church( https://www.gracechurch.org/About/Distinctives/What%20We%20Teach ). Where is the false teaching in it?

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      • unworthy1 says:

        and here is the doctrinal statement of Joel Osteen’s church – https://www.lakewoodchurch.com/pages/new-here/what-we-believe.aspx

        Both sound pretty convincing right? Do false teachers advertise that they are false? Of course not! Even Satan disguises himself as as an angel of light.

        MacArthur has stated you can take the mark and still be saved, this is contrary to the teaching found in holy writ. Defend him if you will, you are defending a man who teaches God’s word falsely.
        “But there is one thing which is even worse than controversy, and that is false doctrine tolerated, allowed, and permitted without protest or molestation. It is a plain Scriptural duty to ‘contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.’ (Jude 3) “I am quite aware that the things I have said are exceedingly distasteful to many minds. I believe many are content with teaching which is not the whole truth, and fancy it will be ‘all the same’ in the end. I am sorry for them. I am convinced that nothing but the whole truth is likely, as a general rule, to do good to souls. I am satisfied that those who willfully put up with anything short of the whole truth, will find at last that their souls have received much damage. Three things there are which men never ought to trifle with, – a little poison, a little false doctrine, and a little sin. They are the truest friends of the Church who labor most for the preservation of truth. ”

        J.C. Ryle

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      • Eliza says:

        First and foremost in the doctrinal statement is the false teaching that God’s Word is only infallible, inerrant, inspired in the original documents. In other words we do not have extant today the inspired, infallible, inerrant, Word of God. That means, that just as the Catholics need a priest to teach them what the Bible really says, so do evangelicals need seminary trained professionals to teach them what the Bible says. We might make a mistake because we aren’t privy to the scholarship of the experts. This degrades the biblical doctrine of the preservation of the Scriptures. It is an attack upon the living Word of the Living God that emanates from the unholy Alexandrian texts, which are the basis of the corrupted modern versions. All ministries that use the modern versions have this opening statement. As for me and my house, we will believe what God has said in His Word.

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      • Alec says:

        Bob, that statement is pretty good for a baptistic church.

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  12. unworthy1 says:

    Maria,

    I am not the author of the post I linked to, however, that should not deter you from reading it. I do hope you will take the time to carefully read the post; let me know if you do.

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    • am trying to get this read (I printed it), in between learning about Peter Dizel who is new to me, and walking our dog. i will respond after finishing reading. thank you,
      Maria

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    • Hi! About Peter Ditzel’s exposition. He has convinced you that not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together actually means this: don’t ignore the reality of, or to encourage one another with the hope of, our gathering together to Him at His return? I’m not convinced.

      (By the way, before I forget, nobody whom I know says that church is something we “go to”; they know that we are the church, ekklesia, called out ones. I guess Christians can know this but sometimes forget it.)

      Here are my thoughts about Peter Ditzel’s article:
      1) The KJV doesn’t read the way he claims, that is, the ordinary sense of the verse is that we are not to forsake our assembling together, not that we are not to forget our gathering together to the Lord at His appearing.

      2) This passage is part of a book that warns and exhorts Jewish Christians of that day against apostasy, by teaching the superiority of Jesus Christ – God in the flesh – in every way. The author is persuading and warning them not go back, apostatize to Judaism and its shadow of things to come, which were fulfilled in Jesus Christ, especially as they see the day of His return approaching.

      3) Ditzel’s view is not what has been taught by faithful Christians, as I’ve said. I’m not saying he isn’t a faithful Christian but that he is in error in his explanation.
      Peter gives the impression that he thinks that almost no one other than himself will give an unbiased exposition of this passage. He also seems to think that only those who know the Greek can understand what is being said. I wish I did know Greek but though I don’t, I can make proper judgments about it by God’s Spirit within me and the help of those the Lord placed in His body as teachers.
      My belief about assembling: as the Lord said, obedience shows or proves our love. Also, how can we encourage one another if we don’t meet together – assemble? And also, how can we remember His death in the Lord’s Supper until He comes, if we don’t come together? Like Eliza, I want to be with believers, in love and safety, using whatever gifts I have to help them, praying for them, and learning from them – for we are all apt to teach one another.

      Here is what I believe about this passage, found in an exposition by Matthew Henry. Historically, it is what Christians have believed. (Notice that he speaks of faith, not hope, as Peter Ditzel does.) And most importantly, Henry sounds a note of warning against apostatizing as a result of not assembling with our brothers and sisters, which is the warning of this passage.

      “2. The apostle exhorts believers to hold fast the profession of their faith, Heb. 10:23. Here observe, (1.) The duty itself—to hold fast the profession of our faith, to embrace all the truths and ways of the gospel, to get fast hold of them, and to keep that hold against all temptation and opposition. Our spiritual enemies will do what they can to wrest our faith, and hope, and holiness, and comfort, out of our hands, but we must hold fast our religion as our best treasure. (2.) The manner in which we must do this—without wavering, without doubting, without disputing, without dallying with temptation to apostasy. Having once settled these great things between God and our souls, we must be stedfast and immovable. Those who begin to waver in matters of Christian faith and practice are in danger of falling away. (3.) The motive or reason enforcing this duty: He is faithful that hath promised. God has made great and precious promises to believers, and he is a faithful God, true to his word; there is no falseness nor fickleness with him, and there should be none with us. His faithfulness should excite and encourage us to be faithful, and we must depend more upon his promises to us than upon our promises to him, and we must plead with him the promise of grace sufficient.

      “IV. We have the means prescribed for preventing our apostasy, and promoting our fidelity and perseverance, Heb. 10:24, 25 He mentions several; as, 1. That we should consider one another, to provoke to love and to good works. Christians ought to have a tender consideration and concern for one another; they should affectionately consider what their several wants, weaknesses, and temptations are; and they should do this, not to reproach one another, to provoke one another not to anger, but to love and good works, calling upon themselves and one another to love God and Christ more, to love duty and holiness more, to love their brethren in Christ more, and to do all the good offices of Christian affection both to the bodies and the souls of each other. A good example given to others is the best and most effectual provocation to love and good works. 2. Not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, Heb. 10:25. It is the will of Christ that his disciples should assemble together, sometimes more privately for conference and prayer, and in public for hearing and joining in all the ordinances of gospel worship. There were in the apostles’ times, and should be in every age, Christian assemblies for the worship of God, and for mutual edification. And it seems even in those times there were some who forsook these assemblies, and so began to apostatize from religion itself. The communion of saints is a great help and privilege, and a good means of steadiness and perseverance; hereby their hearts and hands are mutually strengthened. 3. To exhort one another, to exhort ourselves and each other, to warn ourselves and one another of the sin and danger of backsliding, to put ourselves and our fellow-christians in mind of our duty, of our failures and corruptions, to watch over one another, and be jealous of ourselves and one another with a godly jealousy. This, managed with a true gospel spirit, would be the best and most cordial friendship. 4. That we should observe the approaching of times of trial, and be thereby quickened to greater diligence: So much the more, as you see the day approaching. Christians ought to observe the signs of the times, such as God has foretold. There was a day approaching, a terrible day to the Jewish nation, when their city should be destroyed, and the body of the people rejected of God for rejecting Christ. This would be a day of dispersion and temptation to the chosen remnant. Now the apostle puts them upon observing what signs there were of the approach of such a terrible day, and upon being the more constant in meeting together and exhorting one another, that they might be the better prepared for such a day. There is a trying day coming on us all, the day of our death, and we should observe all the signs of its approaching, and improve them to greater watchfulness and diligence in duty.”

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      • unworthy1 says:

        If there is no faithful assembly, then what? Go to apostate gatherings? Hardly. I think Peter Ditzel’s exposition of Hebrews 10 is another angle to be considered, especially when one considers how the visible ‘church’ uses this text to lay guilt trips on the sheep who refuse to be a part of lukewarm gatherings.

        The early gatherings were in homes, and what was collected was given to the poor believers as they had need. How does today’s modern ‘churches’ compare with the early church – with the big screens, sound systems, worship bands, pastors, associate pastors, etc? Not to mention the ‘conferences’ that host an array of speakers, all peddling their wares {books, cds, dvds, etc} in the foyers and hallways, and getting paid to do so.
        “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:20 We do not have to attend denominational/non-denominational {which is man-made by the way} churches to worship our God, nor do we have to become ‘members’ of such man-made churches. I already am a member of Christ’s church, and I worship Him daily. I long to meet with other like-minded believers and hear powerful preaching, but there isn’t any such thing where I live.

        I agree with A.W. Pink, from his writing entitled ‘a call to separation’…

        “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers.” This applies first to our religious connections. How many Christians are members of so-called “churches,” where much is going on which they know is at direct variance with the Word of God–either the teaching from the pulpit, the worldly attractions used to draw the ungodly, and the worldly methods employed to finance it, or the constant receiving into its membership of those who give no evidence of having been born again. Believers in Christ who remain in such “churches” are dishonoring their Lord. Should they answer: “Practically all the churches are the same, and were we to resign, what would we do? We must go somewhere on Sundays!” Such language would show they are putting their own interests, before the glory of Christ. It is better to stay at home and read God’s Word–than fellowship with that which His Word condemns! {source- http://www.the-highway.com/Separation.html}

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        • unworthy1 says:

          Maria,

          Let me add this, if you attend a faithful gathering of Christ loving, Christ exalting believers and hear the word of God preached with power from the Holy Spirit, with no errors being spewed out from the pulpit, then you are blessed. If your pastor truly trembles at God’s word and proclaims the WHOLE counsel, give the Lord praise. There are many, many brethren all across this land who cannot find such a gathering because apostasy is becoming so rampant.

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        • Eliza says:

          Amen! I especially appreciate what you shared from God’s Word, wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in their midst. We, my family and I, spend time together in the Bible and prayer on Sundays. I see God’s work in our lives. Praise God for His faithfulness to us. Amen!

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          • Eliza says:

            Pink is always an encouragement to my soul. I have the book, although I haven’t read it yet. Just been very busy and spend my time in Scriptures. He gives biblically sound exhortation. I don’t know if you listened to the video of MacArthur and Johnson, I would suggest you listen starting at time mark 41:08. Please let me know what you think. Blessings to you through Christ Jesus. Amen!

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          • I’ve heard John MacArthur say that a person can take the mark of the Beast and repent, but this was during a Q&A session with a question from the audience. But I will listen to the entire video you posted. The Master’s College and/or seminary hired a Roman Catholic consultant, a man who also gave “corporate” advice to the Latter Day Saints. It’s been a while since I read a post that documented this. Will listen and read!

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        • Eliza says:

          Good reading. I recommend this to everyone. Blessings in Christ. Amen!

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      • Bob Wheeler says:

        I thought Ditzel’s exposition was a little too clever — a good example of forced exegesis. He was right on one point — the KJV mistranslated the word “elpidos” in v. 23. It normally means “hope,” in the sense of a confident expectation, which is why the NKJV, NASV and ESV have all translated the phrase “Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering.”
        The rest of his exposition, however, is unconvincing, largely because he ignored the grammatical structure of the passage. Verses 24 and 25 form a single sentence, with the main thought being “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works” (It is hard to beat the poetry of the old KJV here: “provoke unto love”!). Verse 25 has two subordinate clause which modify the main verb in verse 24, and the two clauses form a contrast with each other. How are we to “consider one another”? Negatively, by “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,” and positively by “exhorting one another.” This, of course, was before the advent of Facebook!, and so the clear implication is that in this passage the “assembling of ourselves together” (“episunagogen”) involves face to face contact with other believers in the local assembly. It is a matter of how we encourage each other now, not what will happen at the Second Coming, although in other contexts (Matt. 24:31 and II Thess. 2:1) it does refer to an eschatological event.
        So what about today? If we take the position that if a pastor is wrong on any point of doctrine, no matter how minor, then by the very nature of the case we will never find a “good church.” Most Protestant pastors do not claim infallibility. (There is a communion that does,of course, at least for its head bishop!). But most of the practical duties of the Christian life cannot be practiced in isolation — they imply interaction with other believers on a regular basis. We are to “provoke unto love and to good works.” And this, in turn, almost requires some sort of small group interaction. In the First Century church there were smaller groups within the larger, metropolitan churches, that met in private homes. (Acts 2:46). This, by the way, helps explain the apparent contradiction between I Cor. 11 and 14 on whether or not women are permitted to speak in church. I Cor. 11 apparently refers to the smaller informal house gatherings where the Lord’s Table was observed and everyone present knew each other. I Cor. 14 apparently refers to larger, public assemblies in which unbelievers might be present, and there is a greater emphasis on order and propriety. Thus one of the more encouraging developments today is for churches to form small group Bible studies. There believers can discuss the practical implications of passages and pray for each other and the church at large.
        Bear in mind that not every church today is a megachurch headed by a money hungry shyster with a bagful of gimmicks. There is a wide variety of church fellowships ranging from Plymouth Brethren assemblies to psalm singing Reformed Presbyterians to conservative Mennonites in plain dress to independent, separated, fundamental KJV-only Baptists. Go visit around and explore! It is true, although, that most traditional churches today suffer from the kind of institutionalized church life in which the professional pastor is hired to run the show, and that has usually resulted in stunted spiritual growth in the congregation. Unfortunately the church of Laodicea is an apt description of most evangelical churches in America today.
        So what are to make of John MacArthur? Is he right on every point? Probably not. Guess what — he is a human being like all the rest of us. But we can say this about him. 1) he has a high view of the authority of Scripture and is consciously trying to follow it. 2) his church has a detailed, biblically orthodox confession of faith, although we might quibble over minor points in it (that’s what you get for being detailed). 3)He has built his ministry around expository preaching, which is what ALL preachers should be doing. 4) He has the necessary spiritual gifts, for teaching, at least., and 5) there is nothing in his personal life that would discredit his testimony or bring reproach on the gospel. In other words, if I were living in his community, I cannot see any sound reason for not being a part of his church.

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        • unworthy1 says:

          So, you do not take issue with his false teaching concerning the mark; do you realize if someone follows MacArthur’s teachings, they will take the mark thinking it’s okay? Do you understand the Bible warns all who take the mark will suffer wrath? And that is not an issue with you? Souls are at stake and you see that as a non issue? How tragic!
          As for his testimony, did you even bother to read and examine it?

          You make light of false teaching; this isn’t the only instance of MacArthur’s teaching falsely. How sad that those who profess Christ have no problem with God’s word being twisted. When we allow for ‘mistakes’, we soon allow for all kinds of error to overtake, which is precisely what is happening in visible churches all across this land.

          As for visiting churches, we are the church! You want some to visit man-made denominations or non denominational gatherings….I assure you that has already been done. As I stated, ‘where two or three are gathered’…..

          As for Ditzel, I suggest you contact him through his blog and present to him what you perceive to be problematic.

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          • Bob Wheeler says:

            As for MacArthur’s teaching on the mark, I would hesitate to call anyone a false teacher because of their interpretation of the Book of Revelation. It is one of the most difficult books in the entire Bible to interpret, and it has an exceptionally wide variety of interpretations. By your standard I would have to condemn Eliza as a false teacher and a heretic because of her view of Revelation. But I have every reason to believe that she is a sister in the Lord. By the same token I believe that MacArthur is a brother in the Lord as well.

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          • Eliza says:

            Really? The book is pretty clear to me. Remember even on MacArthur’s site he says, there are many applications of the Scriptures, but only one interpretation. So the many interpretations are not of the Holy Spirit, but are of the flesh. I can say this because only one emanates from the Holy Spirit, and it isn’t difficult to understand either.

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        • Bob, may I use the opportunity of responding to your comment to answer the charge against MacArthur on the mark from a different and historical perspective? And anyone reading, will you allow a different view of this issue, especially since the truth of prophecy fulfillment may be that we both have things to offer in this discussion?

          First, Bob, I agree with so much of what you’ve said, and appreciate your mentioning denominations that escape our notice a lot of the time. The best pastoral counsel ever given to me was from a Brethren elder, and one of the most clear, forceful presentations of the Gospel was by a Beachy Mennonite. Church history includes not just the best known assemblies but so many more. I’m reading E.H. Broadbent’s The Pilgrim Church and he documents the story of the believing remnant both outside and sometimes within the visible church.

          About the institution that claims infallibility however, it shouldn’t be described as a Christian denomination. From early times the mystery of iniquity has been resident there.

          Probably for reasons other than those MacArthur gives elsewhere (I’m only halfway through watching the video you posted, Eliza), it may be possible to take the mark but then repent, if by this we mean a physical mark. The mark, if you look at instances of marks of the godly and ungodly in the Bible, is often spiritual. However in his pride the man of sin, the papacy or dynasty of the man of sin, has instituted a physical mark upon the forehead and hand (consider Ash Wednesday, e.g.) and set up an image of itself – the Beast – to be worshipped (the Eucharist) already. The Eucharist is even known to bleed, and those who’ve refused to say it was God in the flesh (all of Christ – His body, blood, soul, and divinity) were slain in the tens of millions. All history fulfilling Scripture teaches that Rome is the Mother of Harlots. (She is calling for her daughters to come home to her now but she will be destroyed.)

          So those who’ve taken the cross on forehead and hand but have obeyed the Lord’s command to come out of her are forgiven – saved by faith alone as they have repented and trusted in the true Jesus of the Bible, alone.

          Historically Christians have believed the pope is Antichrist – I have not made this up nor am I contradicting the Word of God. The prophesies of Revelation have been and are being fulfilled to the letter throughout history. People, including me, have come out of her and have not and will not share in her punishment, which is coming soon I believe.

          No one gets all of prophecy fulfillment right. The question is why are so many ditching historicism? And also, why did MacArthur hire a Roman Catholic consultant for advice about his educational institutions?

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          • Eliza says:

            I know MacArthur wasn’t referring to what you posted here, but to what the Scriptures say about the mark, it is associated with the beast and no one can buy, sell or trade without the mark. That hasn’t happened yet. We are up for that to occur. MacArthur was referring to the mark explained in Revelation 13:16-18:

            16 He causes all, both small and great,rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast,for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

            This is the biblical reference that MacArthur was referring to, not some historical/traditional reference that has to do with God’s people coming out of an apostate religion. So since any and all who take the mark will be eternally condemned you can see how grave this false teaching is.

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          • You’re right that MacArthur is referring to the Biblical passages about the mark and that though I am too, that we don’t have the same view of these.

            Eliza, during the papal reign you could not buy or sell without allegiance to him in worship of his image, the Eucharist.

            The testimony of the martyrs – Tyndale as only one example – was both that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that the Papacy Is the seat of Antichrist. Tyndale’ s work of translation was foundational to the later Authorized Version – he knew the Scriptures, so we shouldn’t be dismissive of his view as merely historical/traditional but respect it. Yes, there is one truth though, you’re right.

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          • Bob Wheeler says:

            Well Eliza, I’m glad that the Book of Revelation is perfectly clear to you, but you are aware, I hope, that there are futurist, historicist, and preterist interpretations of the book, as well as amillennialists, premilliennialists and post millennialists who all interpret it differently. Maria, yourself and myself have three different interpretations, and I don’t claim to understand everything in the book. (I’m historic, i.e. non-Dispensational, premill.).

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          • Eliza says:

            Sure, and we’ve already gone around about these I think. Only one is the correct interpretation, the others are works of the flesh. Amen!

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          • Bob, I believe historicism is the approach to take, that it is Biblical. As you know, it includes future events. Also I believe that the Lord will soon return. That He will save Israeel, and rescue believers – Jew and Gentile – and punish the wicked.
            Maranatha!

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          • Eliza says:

            Amen to that Maria!

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          • Eliza, the former things will not come to mind then! So glad – kind of tired of this sad world. But He is longsuffering towards sinners.

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          • Eliza says:

            Praise God for that or none of us would have the hope of salvation. Let’s be busy sharing the gospel as God gives opportunity so that many can come to salvation. Amen!

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          • unworthy1 says:

            Maria,

            You say “So those who’ve taken the cross on forehead and hand but have obeyed the Lord’s command to come out of her are forgiven –” That does not square with Scripture. So what kind of mark would one take on the hand?
            Here is what God’s word says…

            ” And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
            The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
            And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11
            IF one takes a mark, (and it must be literal), on either the hand or forehead, then they shall drink of the wine of God’s wrath, and their torment ascends up for all of eternity. There is nothing in the text that says they can take the mark and still be forgiven. The text is crystal clear, taking a mark to buy or sell on either the head or hand shows who one’s allegiance is to….the beast. These people who do so are deceived, as Revelation 13:14 says.
            The coming one world economy and religion fits nicely with what Revelation states, for they will be of ‘one mind’ {Rev. 17:13-17}. I cannot see political powers bowing down to the Pope and the RCC.
            When the economy crashes, there will be a new system implemented, all will take a mark on one of two locations in order to buy and sell, to pay bills, buy life’s essentials, etc. The Pope and the Roman Catholic church does not have influence over the whole world. Yes, there may have been a ‘taste’ of what’s to come in the past, but it wasn’t what Revelation is referring to.

            This is why I reject the a-millennial view, they spiritualize everything. Yes, the RCC is evil, but I do not see the Pope as being the Anti-Christ. I am convinced the Anti-Christ will be a political figure.There are many evil religions in the world, including radical Islam {which is the world’s fastest growing religion}. Why single out one religion such as the RCC and claim it is the one referred to in the Bible?

            We all hold to our own views/understanding on the end times and most of us are set in our thinking. I am not open to amillennialism at all, nor do I care to be. So, if anyone thinks they can convince me otherwise, it will not happen.

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          • Eliza says:

            Amen! According to the Scriptures, Daniel 11:38, the beast comes from a religious background, but we don’t know which one it is. The Antichrist will trade the religion of his fathers for a god of fortresses. Could this be referring to Satan who is the prince of the power of the air and is in charge of the principalities, powers and rulers of this dark age? Looking at Revelation 13 the dragon, Satan, gives the beast all of his authority. Thank you Jesus Christ that you are coming to take Your children home before the tribulation. Amen!

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          • I don’t to convince you, especially of amillennialism which I don’t believe in.

            About Rome, and the papacy, it has unparalleled influence with the kings of the earth. All dignitaries visit the one who has usurped the names and authority of God. Like you I recognize evil and am waiting for Jesus!

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        • Eliza says:

          Dear Bob,
          What you are saying can best be answered by the following passage:

          11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, come evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head–Christ–16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. Ephesians 4:11-16

          First, Jesus Christ gives to His body the different saints who are prepared by Him through the Holy Spirit and the Spirit inspired knowledge of His Word for the equipping of the saints so they can minister and edify the body of Christ.

          Second, the ministry of the body to one another will increase the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God so that God’s saints are a perfect reflection of Jesus Christ being filled with His Spirit and the knowledge of Him.

          Third, false teaching purposely introduced into the body by deceptive men and women who use crafty cunning and deceitful plotting is intended to retard this unity and the growth of believers into the likeness of Jesus Christ. Think about the church in Antioch where godly men were instructing the believers, they were first called Christians there because they reflected the holy nature of Christ. Today, anybody who attends a church that is considered of the “Christian tradition” is called a Christian and so the name of Christ is blasphemed.

          Fourth, these God given pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc. will expose and oppose all false teaching. They won’t pick and choose as to whom they label a false teacher and whom they will accept. Case in point, John MacArthur says that C. S. Lewis is a Christian, he may be by today’s standard, but by the standard of the Word of God he is a heretic that teaches ecumenical universalism where individuals can be saved apart from conscious faith in Christ. MacArthur also quoted Lewis in his book Hard to Believe although he warned against this false doctrine that Lewis championed. Here is something to consider, Philip Johnson came over to MacArthur’s ministry from Moody Press, printer of books. The Christian book industry is a multi-billion industry. Lewis’s books bring in multiple millions. Here we see an example of crafty deceit by MacArthur and Johnson, since Johnson works on John’s books, to lead people astray. Another case in point, if you view the video starting at time mark 41:08 you will see what John really thinks about the glorious Scriptures and the Holy Spirit. This man is a man of flesh.

          Fifth, the ministry of the body of Christ should cause us all to grow up in all things into Christ who is the head as we minister the truth of God’s Word to one another. Bob, you testified yourself that this isn’t happening in the typical man led church, and no wonder. The preponderance of churches today are not led by men filled with the Holy Spirit, but filled with the flesh. Again, the video shows Philip and John operating in this manner.

          Sixth, this growth in Christ and love will cause Christ’s body to be effective in sharing the truth of God’s Word and bring genuine new believers into the body. John’s church may be growing, but he is an ecumenical teacher who is leading the body astray. Don’t think that just because he has a doctrinal statement on his website that he is doing the work of Christ, these statements are designed to get people through the doors so they can be deceived by the wicked one. Here is my own experience with Grace church.

          Years ago I had a family member who was living a godless life and it was breaking my heart. I went to the LA area to visit another relative and had opportunity to interact with this family member. It was not good. I just so happened to have a copy of Owen’s Apostasy that I was reading, from which Pink quoted in the article posted by Maria, and I definitely felt the conviction of the Holy Spirit, although I was trying to live to please Christ. I went to Grace church hoping for encouragement when dealing with my family member. The message John preached was only condemning and I left disheartened. On my trip home I had the opportunity to listen to the Bible on CD. I was listening to Galatians 6 and the Holy Spirit used the following verses to comfort and encourage my heart:

          1 Brethren, if an man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:1-2

          It was like a crystal clear stream refreshing my soul compared to the murky water at Grace church. This family member has since repented and is doing much better, praise God. He led us by His Holy Spirit to bring the family member close to where we are and we rejoice to see the progress in this person’s life. Praise God.

          This is the difference between fleshly intervention and godly intervention led by the Holy Spirit. John doesn’t even believe such things are possible based on what he has said in the video above. What blasphemy! Check out time mark 37:58

          This is what God’s Word says in 2 Timothy 3:4-5: 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 2 Timothy 3:4-5

          Seventh, John MacArthur is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like the majority of the men and women who claim to minister in Christ’s name. He wants to teach us and become a wall between us and the Holy Spirit, Who Christ said would lead us into all truth. He should be turned away from based on the previous verse.

          13 “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. John 16:13

          20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things….27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:20 & 27

          Bob, you along with the majority of church goers have a very low standard, and it is not the standard of God or His Word. I will believe what He tells me in His Word and walk by the power of the Holy Spirit so that I do not fulfill the desires of the flesh.

          16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16

          Amen! Even so come Lord Jesus and rapture Your church out of this insanity that masquerades as the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Amen!

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  13. Bob Wheeler says:

    So anyone who uses a modern English version of the Bible is a false teacher?

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    • Eliza says:

      Not necessarily, but they are more likely have an incorrect interpretation of the text because of the corruption of the text used for the modern version. That is a terrible problem. The spread of ecumenism is directly related to the proliferation of the modern version bibles..

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      • Bob Wheeler says:

        What about the New King James Version, which uses the Masoretic text in the Old Testament and the Textus Receptus in the New?

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        • Eliza says:

          Yes, the KJV is suprerior to the NKJV as far as the OT is concerned, since the NKJV relies upon the Masoretic text while the KJV relied upon many different texts, most importantly the Greek Septuagint and the Second Rabbinic Bible by Jacob ben Chayim. It is good that the NKJV relies upon the Received Text, since it is the text behind the KJV, and gives us a reliable translation. The text for the NT in the modern versions, is the Nestle-Aland text, which is a continuation of the critical text put together by Westcott and Hort, a corrupted text that diverges from the Received Text in over 5000 places. This again has led to the speed at which ecumenism is being accepted throughout protestant churches. I sure don’t want to be a part of that. I hope you don’t either.

          For more information on the KJV here is a great link where I refreshed my memory on the OT texts.

          http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_9.html

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          • Bob Wheeler says:

            In my own study I usually rely on the Byzantine / Majority text of the Greek New Testament, which isn’t exactly like the Textus Receptus, but more accurately reflects the traditional text contained in the great majority of the manuscripts. In the Old Testament I use the Masoretic Text of the Hebrew.
            If I were a pastor, I would probably encourage my church members to use the New King James Version for the sake of clarity and readability. The main problem with the old King James Version is the large number of English words which have changed meanings over the centuries, but the modern reader doesn’t realize it. So, for example, most people today take II Tim. 2:15 (“Study to shew thyself approved unto God. . .”) to mean that we should engage in personal Bible study. What they don’t realize is that in 1611 the word “study” meant “to apply oneself, endeavor,” which was an accurate translation of the Greek “spoudazo,” which means “to make haste,” and by extension “to be zealous or eager, to give diligence.” Thus the NKJV translates it “Be diligent to present yourselves approved to God. . ,” which gives the modern reader a clearer idea of what the Greek actually says.
            If we make allowances for the textual issues involved with the other modern versions, I have generally found the NASV to be the most literal translation out there, the ESV is OK, but I have never been overly enthusiastic about the NIV, least of all the most recent politically correct feminist version. The Amplified Bible can be helpful, if you know how to use it properly. One of the nice things about the NKJV, for those who are interested in the textual issues, is that it has footnotes that give the MT (Majority Text) and NU (Nestles – UBS) readings as well.

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  14. gracealone1 says:

    It is good to hear another voice pointing out the false teachers of our day. I know of no nationally known “preacher” anywhere that actually preaches the Word. They have all compromised themselves in one way or another. They ALL mix some Biblical truth with their favorite error (on purpose) while some have more ‘favorite errors’ than others. This taints all that they say and if you dig deep enough their heresies will be exposed. It is sad to see so many people run to the defense of their ‘golden boy preacher’ who teaches lies in the name of truth, but by doing so they expose themselves as apostates as well. Either you defend the faith once for all delivered to man or you defend some guy who makes you feel good (Jude 3 & 4).

    Many have ‘bought into all things MacArthur’ as a young believer and it is easy to see now how he is so adept at deceiving the masses: 95% truth, 5% heresy=100% lie. The NT spares nothing in revealing the tactics of such wicked men “brought in by stealth” with their use of flattery, vain man-made philosophy ( a different gospel), the ear-tickling appeal of false doctrine (mostly revolving around the lack of repentance from our sins, since none of these false prophets EVER speak against sin), speaking false promises of earthly happiness, success, and a new found (and heretofore lacking) “self-esteem”. They have been and will continue to be successful in deceiving the masses because of the mystic shroud that they have clothed themselves with: they (the “pastors) are to be obeyed in all they tell you to do, you do not have the right to question their motives or actions-EVER. They present themselves as ‘infallible’ in their teaching, manner of life, and “vision for the church”. MacArthur is one such apostate/heretic. It is difficult if not impossible for most to come to terms with their golden boy preacher being exposed for what he really is because that would mean that you have believed a lie and most people are too egotistical to admit that. It is only those who know firsthand the gracious hand of the Lord that leads them into ALL TRUTH (which necessitates the leading AWAY from all error) that do not try to defend the likes of MacArthur or those who are of like minded apostasy. Today is a good day to request from the Lord wisdom (James 1:5) and a hunger and thirst for His righteousness (Matt. 5:6). It may become necessary to throw out 99.999% of what you have learned in today’s “churches” because most have taught another gospel since their doors opened.

    As for further errors of MacArthur the list is not getting any shorter:
    “There is nothing in the fluid of His body that in any way in itself could save us.”
    “You have to stop short of saying ‘We are saved by the blood of Jesus,’ in the sense that there is some efficacy in the fluid that poured out of His body.” [There are dozens of verses that speak the precise opposite of this-Heb. 9 & 10 is a good place to start.]
    His book “Slave” from 2010 is an exercise in folly as JM claims that we are slaves to God when the Scriptures teach we are sons, heirs with Christ, and beloved. To bolster his conclusions he quotes only known apostate/heretics with little to no untwisted Scripture.
    He taught for decades that Jesus Christ BECAME the Son of God at the incarnation. Supposedly JM recanted this heresy a few years ago, but did he really fully recant? Find the answer at the website of his seminary in the ‘what we believe’ section.
    When speaking to “reformed” audiences JM is reformed; when speaking to mixed or ecumenical audiences he is a staunch Arminian (tapes GC 45-73; 54-13; 50-20; 54-14; 1606). The Scriptures say that such a man is doubled minded and unstable in all his ways, if you want to follow, believe, and support someone like that then please read 2 Cor. 13:5.

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  16. unworthy1 says:

    Maria,

    Thank you for your kind, gentle response. I believe we ALL are seeing things unfold, which will lead to a better understanding. Like you, I am very tired of this world and I truly long for our Lord to come, to make all things new.

    May the Lord bless you Maria

    Lyn

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  17. gracealone1 says:

    Maria, this link may be what you are looking for:
    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sonship/sonjm13.htm
    In it you will find JM’s original statements and the problems with them.
    As for the Master’s Seminary statement it does seem good on the surface but it holds back from a full on declaration absent of MacArthur’s purposeful ambiguity found in the phrase “…assumed the place of a Son…” He beats around the bush instead of just saying plainly that Jesus Christ always was, is now, and ever shall be the one and only Son of God.
    As for JM’s assertion that Psa. 2:7 is the only OT reference to the Trinity declaring Jesus to be the Son of God is simply not true. Look at 2Sam. 22:2&3; Isa. 42:1; Isa. 48:16; and Isa. 61:1. Job 19:25 & 26 speaks of our Redeemer (who else but Jesus Christ?).

    There are other errors of JM that haven’t been mentioned yet like his Camp Regen held every summer highlighting the use of dead animal parts (a pig’s head) with obvious ties to the occult, even the ‘three finger satanic salute’ (thumb, index and little); masonic/occultic symbolism used throughout his “ministry” (his grandfather was a high mason). There are many links of people who have done extensive research into this fraud “man of god” and I will give what I have if you like. JM’s “lordship salvation” sounds good at first, but closer examination reveals it to be a works based salvation (work to get it and work to keep it) that makes over-the-top demands on the people in his “flock” to be sure that they adhere to all his (unbiblical) rules. It turns out to be a nightmarish cult, far from glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ. In it he uses popish/priest like ‘confessors’ to hear of other people’s sins and give directions for them to prove they have “repented” and have not returned to their old ways.

    May the Lord open the eyes of His people.

    Darrel

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    • Eliza says:

      Additionally, there is a strain of antinomianism that runs throughout the ministry. Years ago the Master’s Choir performed at the church we attended and a young lady gave the testimony that her parents had done drugs on and off for years yet they were believers. His standard for fruit is exceedingly low. This makes senses because any works based righteousness is powerless in controlling the flesh.

      I too have seen and read about the summer camp for young people and the fact that his ancestor’s were practicing masons.
      Blessings in Christ Jesus.

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    • Darrel, I’ve finished reading the article at rapidnet.com that Eliza recommended and will read your recommendation next. Thank you! I’m grateful to her and all who helped me see clearly that he is a false teacher. One of many in our day.

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      • Eliza says:

        Praise God He is so good to us to use His body as He intended to encourage and exhort one another. Amen!

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      • gracealone1 says:

        Only the redeemed have the ability of being broken, and even that is a gift from God. False prophets never apologize, for in their own eyes they are infallible and we are just fodder to them; believe their lies or shut up. They will never accept any criticism from anyone.

        Darrel

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        • yes, brokenness is a gift!
          He has surrounded himself with people that protect him from interactions that he may not want. This was clear from both articles.
          There is so much confusion in his life – retractions, lies, accusations, applause, ungodly associations.

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          • Eliza says:

            And it is those ungodly associations that he embraces which are used by the enemy to deceive believers leading them to think that heretics are “Christians” and can be sound teachers, if you spit out the bones and chew the meat. Funny, there is no such exhortation given in Scripture. We are told to avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to the doctrine which we have received, which is only found in God’s holy, inspired, inerrant, infallible, preserved Word the Bible. Amen!

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        • Alec says:

          Darrell,
          Agree completely. This verse is a deep comfort to me during times of darkness:
          But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;” (1 Corinthians 1:27)

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  18. Bob Wheeler says:

    So does JM teach a works righteousness or is he an antinomian?

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    • Eliza says:

      Dear Bob,
      Think Catholicism, works righteousness that has no power over the flesh, so that Catholics and their leadership are morally corrupt.

      Think the book of Galatians where sinners are trying to be justified by their works and forfeit the work of the Spirit in their lives.

      16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love,joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:16-25

      5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7:5-6

      3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh. Romans 8:3

      So any effort at righteousness that works through the flesh and comes from ourselves and is not dependent upon Jesus Christ and produced by the Spirit will only produce the works of the flesh. So, in answer Bob, both. Blessings to you in Christ Jesus. Amen!

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